This information was kindly provided by Joan Leary
Mary Ann Willis who married George Saggs believed to be the son of James Dellow Senior, mother Elizabeth, wife of Alexander Saggs, I have quite a lot of history on the family of George and Mary as I am helping a friend out regarding them. They had a son, also George born 1853, who went to Australia in 1886, as well as other children, George 1853 was the best friend of my great grandfather and I have letters dated 1886/1888 from him after he went to the ‘œnew world’.
The problem is we cannot find out any details on James Dellow or Alexander Saggs, and I was wondering if anyone can help. Please email us if you can add to this family.
The family of GEORGE AND MARY WILLIS
George Saggs was the son of George Saggs. George senior’s birth date varies, as he is 86 when he dies giving his birth as 1808, but he is also stated as being born 1809/11. He was born in Farnham Essex, and he married Mary Ann Willis, who was born in Henham Essex. Children of George born 1808 and Mary Ann Willis.
William Henry 1850
Helenor (Ellen) 1960.
In 1841 George and Mary were living with three of there children ‘
Emma born 1845
Eliza born 1838
Samuel born 1840. He is a labourer, and living at Lindsey Common Bishop Stortford.
1851 Census shows they are living at Lindsey Common with Mary, and the children Samuel, Eliza, plus Steel 1842, Charlotte 1845, Susan 1848 and William Henry born 1850, also living with them is Thomas Saggs aged 48 said to be his brother, Thomas is stated as being born in Ireland. The 1861 Census shows they are now living Old Cherry Gardens, with Mary his wife, and the following children, Samuel 21, Charlotte 15, Susan 13 and William 11, with the addition of George 1853, Frederick 1856, and Helenor 1860. Steel (transcribed Steal on Ancestry) is a servant to William Newman and his family. The 1871 Census shows George and Mary are living at 1, Cherry Gardens with Steel 27, Henry 20, Frederick 15 and Ellen 11. The 1881 Census shows they are now living at Whitehall Lane George is a retired labourer living with his wife Mary and daughter Ellen now 21. The 1891 Census shows George now a widower living on his own aged 83 in Cherry Gardens Bishop Stortford, he is said to be living on a sick pension. On this census George is said to have been born UK on the sea BS.
Mary died in 1881 aged 66, and George in 1894 aged 86. There is further information on Eleanor/Helenor/Ellen on the children sheets.
The children of George and Mary Ann Willis marriages:
ELIZA born 1839 married Robert King in 1865, up to her marriage she was at home. There is a record of the death of Eliza King in Bishops Stortford in 1894 aged 55, and Robert in 1899 aged 60. Eliza and Robert’s children:
William G 1863 (This may be 1865)
John R 1867
Alice E 1869
Albert 1877 born Walthamstow.
The Censuses of 1871 they were living in Clavering Essex with the three eldest children andin 1881 still living in Clavering with Alice, Lydia, Frederick and Albert, Robert is a Haybinder. In 1891 they are now living in Bishops Stortford with Albert, there is also Alicia aged 41 stated as being their daughter, this may be Alice with the wrong age attached.
SAMUEL was born 1840 he married Eliza Patience in Epping in the December quarter of 1867. There is also a record of Samuel dying in Birmingham in 1908. Up to his marriage he was at home. There appears to be no living children of this marriage at every census point 1871 Census shows married to Eliza the two of them at home. 1881 Census shows Eliza and Samuel are living 4, Clandon Street Deptford St Paul’s, Samuel is an engineer (fitter) also living there is Eliza’s brother William Patience a vellum binder, and aged 24, William was born in Great Easton, Essex. The 1891 they are living in Birmingham Warwickshire there are still no children, but Eliza’s mother Susan Patience aged 71 is living with them.
STEEL married in the April quarter of 1871 either to Mary Ann Reed or Wood there are two May Ann on the records page for Steel. Children of Steel and Mary Ann.
Susan M 1875
Henry W 1880
Minnie B 1883
Sarah L 1885
Sarah and Louise on the census could be the same person it is not unusual to find this use of the second name, the only other reason could be that they are twins but found no proof of this. The 1881 Living in Bishops Stortford with the three older children. The 1891 Census at home in Bishops Stortford with Minnie and Sam the name Saggs is transcribed Saggo on this record. 1901 Still in Bishops Stortford with only Louisa (Sarah) at home.
CHARLOTTE 1845 no further details as yet, apart from the ones stated on main family sheet.
SUSAN 1848 As Charlotte.
WILLIAM HENRY 1850 William Henry appears on the census as WH until 1861 when he appears to have dropped the name William, he may have been the Henry who went to Australia with George and later went to India.
GEORGE 1853 see details below about his adult life. 1861 Census he was living with his family aged 8. 1871 Census He was private in the British Army, based at Verne Citadel Barracks, Isle of Portland, Weymouth, Dorset. 1881 Census he was a boarder, living at 35, Prestage Street Poplar, East London, he is stated as being a fireman porter on the railway. He was living with Elizabeth Presmer a lodging house keeper born 1814, Frederick Hall born 1862 a porter and James Winslow born 1853 a ticket collector (other).
FREDERICK 1856 lived at home until his marriage to Emily Turner in the October quarter of 1878. Children of the Frederick and Emily Turner.
William Edward 1883
Emily Mary 1885
Alice Pharia 1889
John F 1894
The 1881 Census shows Frederick and Emily are living in Dane Street, Bishops Stortford, Frederick is a gardener, they only have Frederick aged 1 with them. 1891 Still in Bishops Stortford with Albert, Alice, Emily Mary William Edward and Samuel, there is no mention of Frederick. 1901 Still in Bishops Stortford with Edith, Emily John Samuel and William.
ELEANOR (ELLEN) SAGGS
Eleanor Mary was born in 1860, on the 1861 census she is shown as the daughter of George and Mary, but by 1871 onward she is shown as Ellen and the granddaughter of George and Mary. The only birth record I can find is for Eleanor Mary Saggs christened 25/04/1060 daughter of Eliza Saggs. This is also the same year as Ellen granddaughter of G. & M. Ellen is a shortened version of Eleanor, same girl?
GEORGE SAGGS BORN 1853 ENGLAND
The following files contain letters from George Saggs to Philip Pryor son of Philip and Hannah nee Browning, born 1843 Hackney. George and Philip were friends but how and where they met has not yet been found.
George born in 1853, arrived in Australia/New Zealand in 1886 on the ship ‘œBOMBAY’ starting out from Gravesend and setting sail from Plymouth Devon on the 7th. December 1885. He also speaks in these letters of his brother Henry, born 1850, who appears to have gone to Australia with him but left later on a German mail boat to go to India.
DETAILS OF GEORGE SAGGS IN AUSTRALIA.
George Saggs married Rebecca Roulston in 1891. Rebecca was the daughter of Moses Roulston and Harriet Layton, they married in Parramatta NSW in 1866. Moses is believed to have died in 1911 and Harriett 1921. Harriet’s parents may have been William Layton and Mary Ann Sharpe.
Children of George and Rebecca.
Sarah J 1869
William James 1871
Harriett 1873 died 1875
Walter Moses 1877 died 1949
All the children were born in Parramatta.
Harriet Vera 1892
George was a 'bobby’ in England. He was also in the 4th. regiment of Newcastle Volunteer Rifles New South Wales (NSW). He arrive in NSW about 1887 and was a porter on the railway, the family regularly attended the Leigh Memorial Church in Parramatta. George died 21 July 1937 at 32, Crimea Street, Parramatta and is buried in Prospect Cemetry.
Further details of George and Rebecca Saggs children.
Harriet Vera born 1892 married Bertie Johnson in 1926, Bertie was born 1897 in Narromine, Harriet died 1960.
Children of Harriet and Bertie Johnson
Stanley T. 1921
Kevin V. 1931
All the above were born in Toongabbie
Hilary born Girraween.
Harry born 1894 appears to have never married died in Castle Hill in 1934.
William George born 1897 married Florence Emily Bannerman born 1908 Camperdown in 1926. Florence died 1947 at Crimes Street Parramatta, William died in 1994 in Seven Hill, Nursing Home
Children of William George and Florence
Audrey M born Granville
Valma born Granville.
Merle J born Parramatta
Betty born Parramatta.
William born Prospect
Harry R. born Prospect
Brian G. born Seven Hills.
Edwin Arthur born 1903 married Amy Grace Burrows Nealon born 1906 North Parramatta. George died 1993 Westmead Hospital, Amy died 1964 Railway Street Parramatta.
Child of Edwin and Amy.
Cynthua A born 1837 Parramatta.
Below are some of the Census Records and George Saggs (1853) letters relating to the family
|1861 Census - George Saggs family||1871 Census - George Saggs senior|
|1871 Census George Saggs||1881 Census George Saggs|
|1861 George Saggs, Bishops Stortford||1881 George Saggs senior|
Steel Saggs 1842 December quarter session
George Saggs letter page 1 page 1 to 4b
|Saggs letter 2||George Saggs letter page 1 page 1 to 4|
|George Saggs page 5||George Saggs page 6|
|George Saggs letter 2 parts 1 to 4a||George Saggs letter 2 part 1 to 4b|
|George Saggs letter 3 parts 1 to 4||George Saggs letter 3 parts 1 to 4 b|